My meth was suddenly stopped over my keyworkers mistake, result-no meth for at least 5days! Major ma

[froude]

COMPLAIN,COMPLAIN,COMPLAIN baxby,GOOD luck,All the best Froude

[baxb]

I ran to chemist as fast as my one leg and two sticks could carry me this morning before i had yet another bowel explosion-  my bad leg is worse as not only do i feel like i have ants under my skin but my bad leg is wanting me to break it again to get rid of that feeling! I waited an hour for my silly little dose to take affect- but i couldnt handle it.  Off to dealers again!
The pharmacist even told me that the local clinic have a mind of their own. Not only has it happened to me, but the same key has done this to at least another 3 people in the last year. Thats it. Im gon2 do so much writing today and im gon2 include some copies of these posts on here. I just got to figure out the addresses of  the right folk to send to. But first, i need another boot toot...

[Lelee]

Hi Baxb

This will help when you write your letters, taken from Dept of Health 'drug misuse and dependence UK guidelines on clinical management.' I've puts the facts particularly relevant to your case in bold. You will see the service could have had you safely back on your optimal dose within a week. It should never have happened to you in the first place though and because it was their negligence they should have gone out of their way to get you back on your optimal dose. The serviced have induced your relapse and that's not what drug treatment is about. I have no idea why you're on daily supervised, it just adds insult to inury. It was there cock up, not yours, why should you be penalised? 

Do you know who you're going to write to? I would suggest your area Drug Action Team and the relevant manager of the National Treatment Agency for your region.

Hope this helps. 

Linda

f5.3.7.1 Commencement dose Methadone should normally be prescribed as a 1 mg in 1 ml oral solution. Oral concentrates, containing methadone hydrochloride 10 mg/ml or 20 mg/ml, should normally be dispensed only after dilution as appropriate (BNF, 2007).
Methadone tablets are not licensed for the treatment of drug dependence and should not normally be prescribed due to the increased potential for diversion. Inappropriate dosing can result in overdosing in the first few days: as cumulative toxicity develops to methadone, this can lead to death. There is no uniquely fatal dose of methadone and deaths have occurred following doses as little as 20 mg. The commencement dose should aim to achieve an effective level of comfort, both physical and psychological, while minimising the likelihood of overdose.
 In general, the initial daily dose will be in the range of 10–30 mg.
If tolerance is low or uncertain then 10– 20 mg is more appropriate.
With heavily dependent misusers who are tolerant, and where the clinician is experienced or competent, a first dose can be up to 40 mg but it is unwise to exceed this dose.A supplementary dose on the same day may be considered where there is evidence of persistent opioid withdrawal. These cases need to be assessed by a prescriber with appropriate competencies.
The process of dose induction requires clinical judgement from the prescriber. Clearly those prescribers with more experience may feel able  to take more and proportionate risks following thorough assessment. In general more caution should be taken with high-risk patients. More caution should be applied if the patient cannot
be well supervised, for example seen only weekly.
5.3.7.2 Optimal dose
First seven days
It is critically important to provide adequate information regarding the recognition of methadone toxicity and management to patients and accompanying carers (with consent).
Opiate-dependent patients being managed in the community should attend frequently at the beginning of treatment in order that their dose can be titrated against withdrawal symptoms and evidence of intoxication monitored. With patients who can only attend infrequently, dose induction will take longer.
Where doses need to be increased during the first seven days, the increment should be no more than 5 mg to 10 mg on one day. In any event, a total weekly increase should not usually exceed 30 mg above the starting day’s dose.
Subsequent optimisation Following the first week, doses can continue to be increased incrementally up to a total of between 60 and 120 mg a day, and occasionally
more – a level at which the patient reports feeling comfortable and is no longer using illicit heroin. Caution needs to be exercised and it may take several weeks to reach the desired dose. There should be a few days between each dose
increase.

[OP8S]

Surely the same key has not had 3 family bereavements in just one year , if it has happened to others who have the same key I would doubt whether they are competant in their jobs. If on the other hand they have had 3 ( that you know of ) occassions when they've just dropped everything then you would think that they would be even more aware of their mistakes & the DSP should have a contingency plan to cover their actions.
All sounds a bit purple to me ? I'm glad you're making a complaint, do you know if the other 3 service users complained ?

[froude]

YOU must complain baxb it isn't exceptable,try and get the other names of the others he fucked about ,AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! some KEYWORKERS think they can play GOD,is it some kind of some sick power trip,PRICKS,hope you get it sorted,All the best Froude.

[j.refueling]

OMG! Ive just had a very similar experience last week. My key 'forgot' to hand my script to chemist last friday so it was too late to sort it out. Now i am back on meth but i was also reduced from 90ml to 30ml. Its now on 30 until next week which is doing my head in as im having to use again just so that i can work. I havent used for over 1year so this is a real setback too.
I cant believe that this has happened so many times with people. These keyworkers dont care about us at all.
Baxb, what happened with your case? Are you sorted out now and did you complain?
Mad init!   

[froude]

This is disgusting how people are being treated ,animals are treated better than this.As i thought when it happened to me ,its not just me,how does a keyworker FORGET they have someone's script,or is it just an excuse.Bloody disgusting way to treat people.Know how you feel ,my local DSP halved my benzo script (40mil down to 20mil for a week).Complain simple as that .all the best Froude

[OP8S]

Complain in writing to the head of your DSP & to the local Commisioner, even your MP. This is happening all to often now, how can your key simply forget. I'm sure that they had more than one script to hand in. It is an underhand tactic to get you on a lower dose it seems to be the keys latest trick.
My mate ended up smashing a window, just so he would be put into police custody where he knew that he would recieve his script because of a similar incident.
His script wasn't at the pharmacy, he lost his temper so the pharmacy refused to serve him anymore & in my area there is only one pharmacy within a reasonable distance that dispenses meth. He knew that it would be delivered, or picked up while he was in custody though. Madness isn't it !?

[sapphire]

It is disgusting, and just another example of the uphill battle that staying on a script has become. Perhaops they think that if they make it so difficult that people will drop out of treatment?

[OP8S]

And those that are pushed into detoxification before they themselves feel ready could end up relapsing , possibly overdosing.
One less dope fiend claiming benefits, taking up a cell in prison & being provided with a substitute medication. A success on the books of the particular DSP! Though, not much of a success to the user or their family left grieving.

[fixed]

only just caught up with this & im disgusted by the way baxb has been treated. Over the years ive tried to make sure I have a sufficient stash to cover myself In case of such an event. But after reading this I think that stash needs to be increased considerably. You really need to complain about this & in my opinion the Key responsible for this should be sacked if it turns out this is not the first time this has happend. I do wonder if this key has a vested interest with some of the local dealers maybe ?.
Hope it gets sorted soon.

[OP8S]

I do like-wise & always keep at least a couple of day's doses in case of emergency. Obviously in bottles that they have been dispensed in. After they become a couple of months old I take those doses & replace them with more the more recent doses provided by my pharmacy. As far as I'm aware there's nothing illeagal in doing so, as long as it's your's , has the correct pharmacy label on with your name etc.
Spoke to a friend just yesterday, the day before her house had been done over by the local constabulary. Nine coppers + 2 dogs, considering she's a single mother it did seem a bit heavy handed ? Especially as they were thoroughly disappointed , found no gear  just a bit of personal weed. They did however take three days worth of her script that she had saved up, again in the proper pharmacy bottles with her name on it. Saying that she was stockpiling a controlled substance.
Some keys have told me to try reducing my dose at home without telling my prescribing GP, just to see if I want to reduce ( no thanks ) but that would be what I'd say in my defence if they tried to take my emergency stash off me.
Surely as long as you've not got gallons of the stuff stored up then the plods can have no ground to prosecute ? Does anybody know if there is a set number of doses that you can keep in reserve for emergencies.
As far as I'm concerned once the pharmacist dispenses my medication it then becomes * my * property , the same applies to all my meds. & I have emergency supplies of all.
As for keys having vested interests they certainly have a vested interest in getting you of their books if only to keep the funding which pays their wages coming in.

[sapphire]

OP, I think if it's in the right container (ie Joe Bloggs 100ml 1mg/1ml methadone mixture) and there's 100ml in the bottle, there's bugger all they can do as it's a prescribed med.

Where it does start becoming a grey area is when people decant it into different containers

It would be useful if anyone had a set of guidelines as to what was allowed and what wasn't?

For example, if Joe Bloggs gets weekly pickups, on a Monday, and had his house searched on a Tuesday, he would have either 600 or 500ml of methadone, I don't think the police could take it if it's in the original bottles with your name etc on?

[BKiddo]

jeezus-----------my partner is missing a days script-----shared care's been decommissioned and he has to suffer tomorrow-----this is bullshit and I hope all the snoopy voyeurs who stalk this forum take note from this thread-- ------it is not on, all you keyworkers think you know it all, but with this; unless you have had a sincere opiate addiction, stop with your tea and sympathy and sort it out------as a seasoned Methadone consumer ere is a plan-----------

Script everyone a day ahead, so that everyone has at least 1 days script, for times like this-----------I do not know ANYONE who has not had their script stopped, because of human error, stupidty or airy fairyness---we are patients and the discrimination needs to stop, full stop! Methadone is the most researched drug in the world and trust the fact that we know our own bodies----it is disgraceful stopping a 90ml script and starting at 15ml---- ---NICE guidelines are clear, how comes we understand them, yet the very people who are supposed to be helping don't even know what colour the book is....ORANGE

The Police will take controlled substances and it is probably down to their discretion- I reckon that bird-they were pissed off that they only found weed so took it for badness!!!

Baxb------ do not give up giving up------once all the shit is sorted out, and you feel 'held', you will just learn from every relapse----this was not your fault, but for the next man/woman that it happens to it aint on----so you gotta complain and follow it up----speak to service manger

sorry for the rant-----but GRRRRRRRRR

[physeptomaton]

Thieving police scum should be de-jobbed after being publicly identified.
Bad enough they have a government licence to thieve recreational drugs but when they start confiscating LEGAL medication they are way out of line.