Whats in the papers today

[will-c]

I thought a thread covering whats in the papers, might be of interest.

Today, I was saddened to read about the little 17 month old boy who was battered to death by his mother, boyfriend and a friend.
They were all found guilty of causing the death of the child but not the murder, at the Old Bailey yesterday and will be sentenced later.

The baby was on the Child At risk Register and had been subject to 50 detailed injuries, 60 visits by social services or health care workers and was cleared with a broken spine to be sent home 2 days before his death by a paediatric doctor who said he was cranky.

This stuff sickens me, especially when I was listening to some health minister say on breakfats TV that these social workers have a tough job and mistakes will be made. In my opinion its like a fireman standing watching a fire and saying its not bad enough yet or a police officer witnessing a crime and saying they havent stoeln enough yet. How many bruises must a baby have before enough is enough...


 

  

[H4U]

It is very sad and only a sick minded person/s would even think to hurt an innocent child/baby, its been in the news the last few days and they even mentioned about that case "Victoria Climbe" who was a child also battered to death by her so called "carers". its not acceptable imo and those guilty should be locked up forever, or, better still beat them to death!! Bring back the death penalty i say for these offences against children/babies.Not so long ago ther was a case in the papers of a sick mother****** who sexually assaulted a 6 week old  baby- unbelieveable!!

[will-c]

I just noticed I placed this as a poll rather than a topic dooh, sorry folks...

The reason Victoria Clumbie was mentioned was this incident happened in the same borough as Victoria's death (Haringey).

I just dont get the baby battering stuff, I know, I was abused as a child and thought for years that I deserved it as I was a bad kid until I grew up and realised there is no reason in the world to raise your hands to a child. Unlike Scotland were it is a criminal offence now to hit a child, in England its still acceptable to moderately smack your child. To me there is no moderate hitting of children...

[willow]

if the government invested more money in social services so that social workers are not expected to hold a case load of 25 and gave them the freedom to get away from the desks and away from the mountains of paperwork then maybe mistakes like this might not happen. its very easy to blame the individual social workers but there were other professionals involved such as doctors, a child minder and the police.  its also worth remembering that the people who actually killed the child are to blame not the professionals involved.

[saramcgrail]

Its this kind of comment that makes me regret the end of smiting.

its not acceptable imo and those guilty should be locked up forever, or, better still beat them to death!! Bring back the death penalty i say for these offences against children/babies.

Obviously its not acceptable, but the death penalty - or rather the establishment of what sounds like a particularly vindictive brand of sharia law isn't a particularly helpful solution either. Its just like saying "Those smackheads, I'd string 'em all up" or calling for sex offenders to be castrated - it may make you feel momentarily vindicated and better but actually it reduces humanity and insults the memories of people who have fought for human rights and what nearly approaches a reasonable criminal justice system in this country.

Tell me what would you have done with the two children who killed Jamie Bolger? Obviously as children they had offended and been offended against. Do you kill them so they can't kill again or kill the people who abused them. Or both maybe - yea unto the seventh generation....

S

[H4U]

Its this kind of comment that makes me regret the end of smiting.

Obviously its not acceptable, but the death penalty - or rather the establishment of what sounds like a particularly vindictive brand of sharia law isn't a particularly helpful solution either. Its just like saying "Those smackheads, I'd string 'em all up" or calling for sex offenders to be castrated - it may make you feel momentarily vindicated and better but actually it reduces humanity and insults the memories of people who have fought for human rights and what nearly approaches a reasonable criminal justice system in this country.

Tell me what would you have done with the two children who killed Jamie Bolger? Obviously as children they had offended and been offended against. Do you kill them so they can't kill again or kill the people who abused them. Or both maybe - yea unto the seventh generation....

S

Who said anything about Sharia Law?? not even remotly near what the post was suggesting,criminals that commit sexual offences against a 6 week old baby cannot be even considered as human beings,and i was merely stating how i feel about that, that those who commit sick offences such as trying to RAPE a child should be punished by death, what the f*** has that got to do with the "sharia law"??or heroin addicts?? And as for the Jamie Bulger case- they were old enough to know what the did was terrible, so they should be locked up indefinately, what if it was your baby that they killed would you say that they should get off lightly just because they were young offenders??Is is people like you with your opinions that these sick bastards thrive on, and as for regreting the end of smiting- you cannot smite someone JUST because you dont like or disagree with the posters opinion, if you read tge karma by mcdermott you will see that im right- how cheeky!!

[H4U]

"Its this kind of comment that makes me regret the end of smiting"





The above quote from saramcgrail is the perfect example of hoe the "karma" system is open to abuse, i was merely stating MY opinion on death penalty, we live in the UK where the death penalty was abolished a few decades ago, my opinion was bring backj the death penalty for "those serial child rapists who rape and murder, even though we arnt in the USA, i agree with USA"s CERTAIN aspects of the death penalty- namely for child rapists and child killers.....i did not remotely suggest "sharia law",i personally dont care for sharia law.

[mcdermott]

Did anyone watch Dispatches last night? It was a pretty horrifying show about children being tortured, killed and abandoned for supposed Witchcraft in Nigeria.

Apparently, there's a growing prevalence of belief that all the bad things that happen in that society do so because of kids who have signed up to covens. The belief is cultivated by Pentecostal Churches over there, one of the biggest of which was producing videos that were really like the Nigerian equivalent of video nasties, that showed kids eating the flesh off their parents, zooming into the skies for coven meetings, popping out their parents eyeballs (with gruesome footage of the parents with their eyeballs hanging out of their sockets while witchy five year old kids cast their spells).

When they confronted the Prophetess (who was running a major operation with many churches all over Nigeria and huge rallies, etc.), she's like, 'The Harry Potter movies show witchcraft. Do you go after JK Rowling, you white racist fuck?'

Meanwhile, Nigerian kids are getting hacked by machetes, having 3 inch nails hammered into their skulls, being doused in kerosene and set on fire, etc. either to make them 'confess' or to drive out the bad spirits, while 'ministers' and 'bishops' are doing a nice sideline in exorcism at £170 a pop (in a country where the average person lives on 50p a day.)

I'd string *those* fuckers up. (The bishops and ministers that fill people's heads with this bullshit for profit.)

[saramcgrail]

"Its this kind of comment that makes me regret the end of smiting"





The above quote from saramcgrail is the perfect example of hoe the "karma" system is open to abuse, i was merely stating MY opinion on death penalty, we live in the UK where the death penalty was abolished a few decades ago, my opinion was bring backj the death penalty for "those serial child rapists who rape and murder, even though we arnt in the USA, i agree with USA"s CERTAIN aspects of the death penalty- namely for child rapists and child killers.....i did not remotely suggest "sharia law",i personally dont care for sharia law.

Abuse? Beating people to death is abuse, hanging people is abuse.
Smiting the kind of bigoted shite you spewed out there is exactly what the Karma system was for.

Sara

[saramcgrail]

Who said anything about Sharia Law?? not even remotly near what the post was suggesting,criminals that commit sexual offences against a 6 week old baby cannot be even considered as human beings,and i was merely stating how i feel about that, that those who commit sick offences such as trying to RAPE a child should be punished by death, what the f*** has that got to do with the "sharia law"??or heroin addicts?? And as for the Jamie Bulger case- they were old enough to know what the did was terrible, so they should be locked up indefinately, what if it was your baby that they killed would you say that they should get off lightly just because they were young offenders??Is is people like you with your opinions that these sick bastards thrive on, and as for regreting the end of smiting- you cannot smite someone JUST because you dont like or disagree with the posters opinion, if you read tge karma by mcdermott you will see that im right- how cheeky!!

You suggested beating someone to death. I believe stoning people to death is a part of sharia law. That's what my reference was  about.
Smiting was exactly for that - its when you disagree with the post. What else would it be for? Spelling?

[will-c]

I also watched the documentary on the child witches last night. I was absolutely shocked when the prophet treating the young boy with his blood alcohol concoction said blatantly he had killed 110 children... I have a real issue with religion and its abuse powers. he was clearly delusional and psychotic. 

[Lelee]

I didn't see it Peter and I'm so glad after what you've described. I find that sort of thing so disturbing I would have problems sleeping for months. It's the feeling so helpless about it too that gets to me.

Fear can be a powerful force and I find it hard to accept the reality that fellow human beings are capable of this kind of barbaric cruelty particularly when it involves innocent defenceless children. How can they share the same planet that we walk on?
The world isn't such a large place really when you can get to Australia in a day.
    
I wonder if Amnesty International are doing anything about this. I'll find out.      

[H4U]

i couldnt give a f*** what you think or the karma ststem, seems to me you cared alot for it , SHAME its not there then eh? As a stated before
, it is peoiple like you with your dumbass opinions that these child molesters THRIVE on, if you want to smite a post, smite this oh i forgot you cant cause you regret its noit ther anymore.......and just to be mature enough and correct you- check out mcdermotts post on karma- it says play fair or ill take away,disagreeing a not liking someones post IS NOT reason to smite- use your stupid brains and read mcdermotts post on karma.Im asaying this last time I COULNT CARE LESS ABOUT KARMA OR SMITE, all that means BS anyway, but it was me who showed everyone how its open to abuse by ppl kike you.

[saramcgrail]

As a stated before
, it is peoiple like you with your dumbass opinions that these child molesters THRIVE on

How do I enable child molesters to thrive? I'm intrigued.

[H4U]

Its opioins such as human rights etc... for all, i agree that with you that we shouldnt disrespect those who fought for OUR human rights, ive no problem with any crime including murder, they still deserve their human rights BUT when it comes to child and BABY rapists, i feel very strongly about those who sexually abuse childern that i believe they shouldnt have ANY rights inc, human rights it is these factors that keep them going ie they know trhey are not going to be punished severly enough.... hell some of then get away with a couple years in prison, IF THAT and just signing a piece of paper called sex offenders register, now i apologise if i offended you in any way, like i said "what and how woulds you feel if it happened to your baby/chilg??"